Shiur Shkolim 16b – 9 Kislev, 5785 – 12/10/25

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Shkolim 16b
9 Kislev, 5785. 12/10/2025

Short notes on many topics.

Square or rectangular לוחות?

1 – We are deep into the calculations of what was in the ארון and how exactly they fit inside.

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The basis are the opinions of רבי מאיר ורבי יהודה as to how many טפחים an אמה is when measuring the כלים.

Etzba (1e): fingerbreadth. Tefach (1t): handbreadth. 4e = 1t. Medium Amah (1a): 6 tefachim/amah. 6t = 1a. Small Amah(1&): 5 tefachim/amah. 5t = 1&. 5a = 6&. Large Amah (for crafters): 1a + .5e for measuring gold and silver; 1a + 1e for measuring the building

See here a link to the charts based on our גמרא ירושלמי and the בבלי version.

The major difference between the two versions בבלי וירושלמי is whether each of the 2 לוחות were square (6×6) בבלי , or rectangular (6×3) ירושלמי.

2 – We mentioned the Tosfos מנחות צט, א that suggest that perhaps all agree that they were rectangular (6×3). When the בבלי says 6×6 they were referring to the total of the 4 לוחות
2 of the broken לוחות and 2 of the complete לוחות.

The ספר תורה that was inside the קודש הקדשים

3 – As we saw so far, רבי מאיר says that the ספר תורה was also placed inside the ארון. (See above chart). Next Shiur we will discuss רבי יהודה who says that it was placed outside the ארון.

Our גמרא discusses that according to Reb Meir, the ‘extra 2 טפחים inside the ארון was to allow for easy removal of the ספר תורה’.

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What ספר תורה was this?

Rashi (BB 14b) seems to say that it was the one the משה רבינו wrote.

The occasional removal of this ספר תורה from the קודש הקדשים

4- Tosfos has a general issue with the idea that this ספר תורה (that was in the קודש הקדשים) was was ever removed and/or was used on יום כיפור for the כהן גדול to read.

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Their question is simple: How can one remove it if entering the קודש הקדשים is prohibited? And on יום כיפור, where do we find in the (very detailed) עבודת יום הכיפורים a ‘removal and return’ of a ספר תורה?

[Also mentioned the weight of the cover כפורת and the כרובים that were over the ארון made of pure gold. How did the כהן גדול, who was alone, lift it?]

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One answer of Tofsos is that they would indeed remove the ס”ת  occasionally to ‘air out’ and/or to repair it. Just as we find that workers would enter the קודש הקדשים to repair the room.

We mentioned the interesting process of how these workers were lowered from the attic above the קודש הקדשים in ‘closed boxes with holes’ to limit what they can see in this holy place – Mishnah, Middos 4:5.

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מְשַׁלְשְׁלִים אֶת הָאֻמָּנִים. מוֹרִידִין אוֹתָם בְּחֶבֶל בְּתוֹךְ הַתֵּבוֹת, כְּדֵי שֶׁלֹּא יֵהָנוּ בִּרְאִיַּת בֵּית קֹדֶשׁ הַקֳּדָשִׁים, אֶלָּא מְתַקְּנִין מַה שֶּׁצָּרִיךְ בִּלְבַד וְעוֹלִין:

Empty space inside the ארון?

5 – 5 – An interesting question:
Our גמרא deals with the measurements of the ארון. Since the instruction was to build the ארון in a particular size, its full measurements (Length x Width x Height) must be for a purpose. No empty space inside the ארון existed.
So obviously, first and foremost, it had to accommodate all the 4 לוחות inside. Either side by side or the second לוחות on top of the שברי לוחות. As to the ספר תורה see above #3.

Additionally, the בבלי says that the ‘silver poles’ made by שלמה המלך were also inside the ארון.

Now let’s analyze the height of the ארון. It was either 9 טפחים tall – רבי מאיר or 7.5 טפחים tall – רבי יהודה

See here a side view according to רבי מאיר.

Based on the above it seems that there was plenty empty space over the לוחות!!!

This question was raised by the רדב”ז. Vol 3, 530.

His novel answer: It was empty indeed and the ארון could have been, in principle, shorter/lower.

However, as we learnt in Sukka 5a, the שכינה ‘never descended to our world lower than 10 טפחים’.

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This rule is derived from the ארון and its cover, the ,כפורת , was 10 טפחים high in total. The שכינה hovered above the ארון as it says: וְנוֹעַדְתִּי לְךָ שָׁם וְדִבַּרְתִּי אִתְּךָ מֵעַל הַכַּפּוֹרֶת
שמות כ״ה, כ״ב.

Therefore, says the Radvaz, the ארון needed to be a certain height even if this created empty space inside.

Reading the לוחות on יום כיפור?

6- We discussed the מהרש”א (BB 14a) that seem to say that when the כהן גדול would enter the קודש הקדשים on יום כפור he would read the words on the לוחות !!!

בגמרא נשתיירו שם ב׳ טפחים שלא יהא ס״ת נכנס כו׳. יש מקשין ל״ל הנך ב׳ טפחים באורך הארון לס״ת דהא בהנך ב׳ טפחים שנשתיירו ברוחב היתה מונח שפיר הס״ת והיה יוצא ונכנס שם שלא בדוחק וי״ל שהארון לאורכו היה מונח מצפון לדרום אצל כותל מערבי והיה מונחין הלוחות ארכן לרוחב הארון זה אצל זה מצפון לדרום דהיינו ראשו אנכי למערב וסופו אשר לרעך למזרח שיהו נקראין כן לכ״ג הבא לשם ביה״כ ולכך בדרך הזה נמי היתה מונח הס״ת שם ראשה למערב וסופה למזרח באותן ב׳ טפחים שנשתיירו באורך הארון שתהיה נקראת כך לכ״ג הבא לשם כדרך שאמרו לגבי המזוזה:

What was the date of the commandment to build the ארון?

7 – Another topic discussed:
If the instruction to build the ארון was by מתן תורה, then why would the instruction to build a large ארון , that would accommodate also the שברי לוחות, be said before they were broken by משה רבינו?

More next week.

Reb Moshe Rubin ע”ה

8 – Speaking of how everything fit symmetrically inside the ארון, we spoke about the unforgettable Chosid Reb Moshe Rubin ע”ה and his יראת שמים.   Here. Here.

His quip as to why he cannot tolerate when asking someone ‘how are you?’ to hear a response  “I’m all right’……

R Yisroel Rubin dedicating “Tefila L’Moshe Roadway Service” in memory of his father, R’ Moshe Rubin.

 

 

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