Shiur Sukkah 10 a-b  09/09/20

BS”D

Suka 10 a-b 

Elul 19, 5780. September 9, 2020

A few short notes. 

1- The Mishnah discusses a proper Sukkah that has two types of issues:

1 –

a) A protective cover on  סכך to block the sun.

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b)  A sheet that is under the סכך to protect the people sitting in the Suka from the leaves flowing down from the סכך. 

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2- A cover over a canopy bed. That is not סכך. And it does not ‘protect’. 

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We discussed the difference between סכך – protection from sun etc. and אהל – cover. 

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סכך needs to be something grown from the ground and be in its simplest/original form, meaning not a כלי. So wood is fine for סכך, but not if the wood was made into a כלי- pot. It must not be מקבל טומאה. 

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The issue with a אהל – cover, on the other hand, is that one sitting under a canopy bed is sitting under a ‘cover’ that is not the סכך. Similar to סוכה על גבי סוכה. 

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2- The Gemore discusses different types of נוי סוכה.

If one covered the sukka in accordance with its halakhic requirements, and then decorated it with colorful curtains and sheets, and hung in it ornamental nuts, peaches, almonds, and pomegranates, grape branches [parkilei], and wreaths of stalks of grain, wines, oils, and vessels full of flour, it is prohibited to derive benefit and use them until the conclusion of the last day of the Festival.

Boaz pointed out that the  שומרונים  actually adorn their Sukka with these items!

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See here.

 

Here is one with bottles.

 

3- We discussed the story mentioned in the Gemore: 

The Gemare relates that Rav Chisda and Rabba bar Rav Huna happened to come to the house of the ריש גלותא

(One of the famous ones: Bustenai)

Rav Naḥman, who was the official Rov in charge of the ריש גלותא’s household, lodged them in a sukkah whose decorations were removed from the roofing four טפחים. They were silent and did not say anything to him, even though in their opinion the sukka was unfit. 

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Rav Naḥman said to them: Did the Sages retract their halakhic ruling? Does your silence indicate that you concede to my ruling? 

They said to him: No, we did not change our minds. The reason we slept there is that we are on the path to perform a mitzva and, therefore, we are exempt from the mitzva of sukka.  העוסק במצווה פטור מן המצווה.

Therefore, it is permitted for us to sleep in this sukka. In terms of the halakha, our ruling is unchanged.

Topics discussed: 

A- How did Reb Nachman lead them into a Sukkah knowing that his guests considered such a Sukkah as פסול? 

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Is one who eats חלב עכו”ם allowed to offer it to his guest that he knows does not eat it? That question applies to any חומרא  that one does not adhere to. Can he serve it to his unsuspecting guests? Can you serve Empire chicken to guests if you know your guests do not eat it?

We discussed the Ritv”a who poses these questions.  See below. 

B- What Mitzvah were they performing? Greeting their Rebbe on Yom Tov. 

But that is מדרבנן! So how did this absolve them from fulfilling sitting/sleepin in the Sukka which is מן התורה. 

To be continued. 

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Here is the Ritv”a

 פירוש ואע”ג דאכתי לא ידע ר”נ דהדרו משמעתייהו או דהוו שלוחי מצוה אגנינהו לפום דעתיה.

 ולא חש דהוי חתיכא דאיסורא לדידיה ויתבי בסוכה פסולה ומברכי התם שלא כראוי והוה כנותן מכשול לפני פקח.

יש אומר דמהא שמעינן שהמאכיל לחברו מה שהוא מותר לו לפי דעתו ומאכילו אין בזה משום לפני עור לא תתן מכשול, ואע”פ שיודע בחברו שהוא אסור לו לפי דעתו וחברו בעל הוראה שהמאכיל היה ג”כ ראוי להוראה וסומך על דעתו להאכיל לעצמו ולאחרים לפי דעתו. 

ונ”ל דהכא דוקא מפני שהאיסור ניכר לחברו ואי לא ס”ל לא ליכול הא בשאינו ניכר לחבירו לא.

ואמרינן התם חס ליה לזרעיה דאבא בר אבא דליסופו ליה מידי דלא ס”ל בפרק כל הבשר וכן הור’ לי מורי הרב נר”ו.

מיהו הכא דאיפסיקא הלכתא דלא כותיה, בין לנפשיה בין לאחרים אסור וכדמוכח ממאי דכתיבנא בפ”ק דע”ז ובפ”ק דיבמות.

 

 

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