Shiur Shkolim 16b (2) – 16 Kislev, 5785. 12/18/2025

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Shkolim 16b (2)
16 Kislev, 5785. 12/18/2025

1 – Continued the topic of the לוחות וספר תורה that were inside (or outside) the ארון in the קודש הקדשים.

2 – The גמרא explains the construction of the ארון. Either it was made of 3 boxes (as Rashi says in חומש) or just one box plated with gold.

3- Next topic of the גמרא is the עשרת הדברות that were engraved on the לוחות.

The simple and accepted way we see around us are simply 5 on one tablet and 5 on the other.

However the גמרא brings a 4 way מחלוקת as to how many times the עשרת הדברת were actually engraved on the לוחות.

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כֵּיצד הָיוּ הַלּוּחוֹת כְּתוּבִים.
רִבִּי חֲנַנְיָה בֶּן גַּמְלִיאֵל אוֹמֵר. חֲמִשָּׁה עַל לוּחַ זֶה וַחֲמִשָּׁה עַל לוּחַ זֶה….
וְרַבָּנִן אָמְרִין. עֲשָׂרָה עַל לוּחַ זֶה וַעֲשָׂרָה עַל לוּחַ זֶה….
רִבִּי שִׁמְעוֹן בֶּן יוֹחַי אָמַר. עֶשְׂרִים עַל לוּחַ זֶה וְעֶשְׂרִים עַל לוּחַ זֶה…..
רִבִּי סִימַאי אָמַר. אַרְבָּעִים עַל לוּחַ זֶה וְאַרְבָּעִים עַל לוּחַ זֶה….. טֶטְרַגוֹנָה.

How were the לוחות written?
Rebbi Ḥanania ben Gamliel says, five on one tablet each…. (Total of 10)
The Rabbis say, ten on each tablet….(Total of 20)
Rebbi Simeon ben Yocḥai said, twenty on each tablet…..(Total of 40)
Rebbi Simai says, forty on each tablet, a square.(Total of 80)

On the surface the numbers of 10 and 20 seem simple enough. 5 on each, for a total of 10, or the full 10 on each, for a total of 20. (We discussed the suggested answers as to the purpose of this ‘copy paste’ onto the 2nd tablet).

However, what does the ‘20 on each tablet’ mean? Or ‘40 on each tablet mean’?

We discussed various explanations. Some are a bit complicated. Here is one:

4 – The רדב”ז suggests that to understand the above 4 opinions we need to take into account a few of the ניסים pertaining to the לוחות.
See here.

#1 -The writing on the לוחות went thru the לוחות. Meaning that they were engraved from the front to back. מִזֶּה וּמִזֶּה הֵם כְּתוּבִים on each side they were written.
As the גמרא says in שבת קד, א that this unique engraving caused the letters ם and ס to be floating.

Tablets Made of Sapphire Stone – Messilife

#2 – What did the writing that appeared on the reverse side look like? Was it read from right to left? For example: אנכי? Or left to right – meaning backwards? For example: יכנא?

The above גמרא says that it was backwards!
וְאָמַר רַב חִסְדָּא כְּתָב שֶׁבַּלּוּחוֹת נִקְרָא מִבִּפְנִים וְנִקְרָא מִבַּחוּץ כְּגוֹן: נְבוּב בובן (רַהַב בָּהָר) סָרוּ ורס.

Jewishtimes – May 26, 2023 by Mesora.org - Issuu
Rav Ḥisda said: The writing on the tablets was read from the inside, from one side of the tablets, and read from the outside, the other side of the tablets, in reverse order. The Gemara cites words that appear elsewhere in the Bible: Nevuv was read as bet, vav, bet, nun; rahav as beit, heh, reish; and saru as vav, reish, samekh.

[This cryptic גמרא will be discussed BL”N at the next shiur].

So even according to the opinion that only 5 were engraved on each of the לוחות (for a total of 10) it means that it was read on both sides, (albeit backwards) for a total of 20 times.

We discussed how, based on these two above points, the רדב”ז explains the 4 way מחלוקת.

The opinion of רִבִּי חֲנַנְיָה בֶּן גַּמְלִיאֵל is that each side had only 5.
The רַבָּנִן say that each side had the full 10.
According to both, the back side of the לוחות also had the עשרת הדברות, but in reverse order.

Jewishtimes – May 26, 2023 by Mesora.org - Issuu

[In a sense – every side, front and back, ‘faced forward’. That is perhaps the meaning of what the Alter Rebbe writes in Tanya, quoting our גמרא,
שמשם נמשכו הלוחות שבארון כמ”ש כתובים משני עבריהם כו’ וכמ”ש בירושלמי דשקלים שלא היתה בהן בחי’ פנים ואחור ע”ש:]

רִבִּי שִׁמְעוֹן בֶּן יוֹחַי adds (to the opinion of the רבנן) that there was another miracle here. Despite the engraved letters on the back of the לוחות being reversed, when reading them they were seen going in the right direction!

So the 10 are actually 20, since they are easily readable from both sides.

רִבִּי סִימַאי  opinion is that עשרת הדברות were readable from all four sides. The רדב”ז explains: Imagine the לוחות standing upright in the middle of the room with all four sides visible and readable. Thus the number 40.

r/Judaism - The “Ten Commandments” as described by Jewish tradition is very unlike the classic depiction of two grey stone tablets with rounded tops

5- We briefly discussed the famous מחלוקת of the ראשונים regarding מזוזות and ספרי תורה if to place them horizontally or vertically.
In short- The גמרא says that one should not affix a מזוזה like a ‘nail’ (or peg, pin, bolt etc) – נגר.

Correct Installation is Essential to the Performance of Shingles

The question in what direction is a regular nail driven into a wall? If vertically, then a מזוזה must be affixed horizontally and vice versa.

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רש”י the רמב”ם and many other say that a מזוזה must be affixed upright – vertically.

רבינו תם however says that it’s not דרך כבוד to have them upright.
מנחות לג, א. Here.

On the Doorpost of Your Home: Mezuzah's Meaning Told - San Diego Jewish World

To use his expression – ‘we find that ‘upright’ is used when burying mules’!

Dollie the Mule Buried in Oak Grove Cemetery – McCracken County – Kentucky Kindred Genealogy

Another point says רבינו תם, quoting our גמרא, is that we find the לוחות in the ארון were placed horizontally although they would easily have fit if placed upright. The reason they were placed flat is because that is the honorable position for them.

להלכה we place מזוזות at an angle but we place the ספרי תורה in an upright position.

6- Yossi Cohen suggested a fascinating story of a burial ‘face down’.

https://www.beinharimtours.com/tomb-of-rabbi-meir-baal-hanes/#:~:text=Rabbi%20Meir%20passed%20away%20on,standing%E2%80%9D%20in%20reference%20to%20prayer.

Rabbi Meir passed away on the 14th of the Hebrew month of Iyar while in exile outside of the Holy Land His remains were brought to Tiberias and entombed close to his teacher Rabbi Akiva. The Rabbi requested that his body be buried in a standing position as the Torah uses the word “standing” in reference to prayer.

Another version of this legend says that the Rabbi wanted to be buried standing up so that when the Messiah came he could walk straight out to greet him. Before his passing, the Rabbi said that his legacy to generations to come would be that he would intercede in heaven on any person’s behalf if the person is willing to give charity to the poor of Israel in his memory.

face down, not standing up

https://ohr.edu/ask_db/ask_main.php/242/Q4/

This reminds me of a story, that I find frightening, one which illustrates the frightening evil to which a human can sink and, at the same time, the wisdom of our Sages: Not far from Luban, Russia, there lived a Jew who was a traitor to his people; he spent his life harassing the Jewish community by slandering them to the Russian authorities at every opportunity. At the end of his life, as he lay on his death bed, he summoned the Jewish burial society. “Bury me face down,” he said. Then he died.

His most odd request was brought to the great Rabbi Moshe Feinstein. Rabbi Feinstein ruled that, despite the requirement to fulfill a dead person’s final wishes, he must nevertheless be buried face-up in accordance with Jewish Law.

A few days after the funeral, the Russian authorities rode into town and summoned the Jewish burial society demanding that the recently buried body be dug up. Mystified, the Jews went out to the cemetery and began digging under the watchful eye of the Russians. When the body was unearthed and became visible, the Russians said, “Enough. Bury him again.” Now the Jews couldn’t contain themselves: “Please explain why you wanted to dig him up?” they asked.

“This man,” the Russians explained, “was our friend. He was forever loyal to us. He told us that the Jews hate him so much for being our friend that they are going to bury him face down!”

Shiur Shkolim 16b – 9 Kislev, 5785 – 12/10/25

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Shkolim 16b
9 Kislev, 5785. 12/10/2025

Short notes on many topics.

Square or rectangular לוחות?

1 – We are deep into the calculations of what was in the ארון and how exactly they fit inside.

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The basis are the opinions of רבי מאיר ורבי יהודה as to how many טפחים an אמה is when measuring the כלים.

Etzba (1e): fingerbreadth. Tefach (1t): handbreadth. 4e = 1t. Medium Amah (1a): 6 tefachim/amah. 6t = 1a. Small Amah(1&): 5 tefachim/amah. 5t = 1&. 5a = 6&. Large Amah (for crafters): 1a + .5e for measuring gold and silver; 1a + 1e for measuring the building

See here a link to the charts based on our גמרא ירושלמי and the בבלי version.

The major difference between the two versions בבלי וירושלמי is whether each of the 2 לוחות were square (6×6) בבלי , or rectangular (6×3) ירושלמי.

2 – We mentioned the Tosfos מנחות צט, א that suggest that perhaps all agree that they were rectangular (6×3). When the בבלי says 6×6 they were referring to the total of the 4 לוחות
2 of the broken לוחות and 2 of the complete לוחות.

The ספר תורה that was inside the קודש הקדשים

3 – As we saw so far, רבי מאיר says that the ספר תורה was also placed inside the ארון. (See above chart). Next Shiur we will discuss רבי יהודה who says that it was placed outside the ארון.

Our גמרא discusses that according to Reb Meir, the ‘extra 2 טפחים inside the ארון was to allow for easy removal of the ספר תורה’.

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What ספר תורה was this?

Rashi (BB 14b) seems to say that it was the one the משה רבינו wrote.

The occasional removal of this ספר תורה from the קודש הקדשים

4- Tosfos has a general issue with the idea that this ספר תורה (that was in the קודש הקדשים) was was ever removed and/or was used on יום כיפור for the כהן גדול to read.

Yom Kippur - Temple Institute

Their question is simple: How can one remove it if entering the קודש הקדשים is prohibited? And on יום כיפור, where do we find in the (very detailed) עבודת יום הכיפורים a ‘removal and return’ of a ספר תורה?

[Also mentioned the weight of the cover כפורת and the כרובים that were over the ארון made of pure gold. How did the כהן גדול, who was alone, lift it?]

Yom Kippur Part 6 - Temple Institute

One answer of Tofsos is that they would indeed remove the ס”ת  occasionally to ‘air out’ and/or to repair it. Just as we find that workers would enter the קודש הקדשים to repair the room.

We mentioned the interesting process of how these workers were lowered from the attic above the קודש הקדשים in ‘closed boxes with holes’ to limit what they can see in this holy place – Mishnah, Middos 4:5.

Man Working at Height with Breaker Box Suspended on Rope and | Colourbox

מְשַׁלְשְׁלִים אֶת הָאֻמָּנִים. מוֹרִידִין אוֹתָם בְּחֶבֶל בְּתוֹךְ הַתֵּבוֹת, כְּדֵי שֶׁלֹּא יֵהָנוּ בִּרְאִיַּת בֵּית קֹדֶשׁ הַקֳּדָשִׁים, אֶלָּא מְתַקְּנִין מַה שֶּׁצָּרִיךְ בִּלְבַד וְעוֹלִין:

Empty space inside the ארון?

5 – 5 – An interesting question:
Our גמרא deals with the measurements of the ארון. Since the instruction was to build the ארון in a particular size, its full measurements (Length x Width x Height) must be for a purpose. No empty space inside the ארון existed.
So obviously, first and foremost, it had to accommodate all the 4 לוחות inside. Either side by side or the second לוחות on top of the שברי לוחות. As to the ספר תורה see above #3.

Additionally, the בבלי says that the ‘silver poles’ made by שלמה המלך were also inside the ארון.

Now let’s analyze the height of the ארון. It was either 9 טפחים tall – רבי מאיר or 7.5 טפחים tall – רבי יהודה

See here a side view according to רבי מאיר.

Based on the above it seems that there was plenty empty space over the לוחות!!!

This question was raised by the רדב”ז. Vol 3, 530.

His novel answer: It was empty indeed and the ארון could have been, in principle, shorter/lower.

However, as we learnt in Sukka 5a, the שכינה ‘never descended to our world lower than 10 טפחים’.

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This rule is derived from the ארון and its cover, the ,כפורת , was 10 טפחים high in total. The שכינה hovered above the ארון as it says: וְנוֹעַדְתִּי לְךָ שָׁם וְדִבַּרְתִּי אִתְּךָ מֵעַל הַכַּפּוֹרֶת
שמות כ״ה, כ״ב.

Therefore, says the Radvaz, the ארון needed to be a certain height even if this created empty space inside.

Reading the לוחות on יום כיפור?

6- We discussed the מהרש”א (BB 14a) that seem to say that when the כהן גדול would enter the קודש הקדשים on יום כפור he would read the words on the לוחות !!!

בגמרא נשתיירו שם ב׳ טפחים שלא יהא ס״ת נכנס כו׳. יש מקשין ל״ל הנך ב׳ טפחים באורך הארון לס״ת דהא בהנך ב׳ טפחים שנשתיירו ברוחב היתה מונח שפיר הס״ת והיה יוצא ונכנס שם שלא בדוחק וי״ל שהארון לאורכו היה מונח מצפון לדרום אצל כותל מערבי והיה מונחין הלוחות ארכן לרוחב הארון זה אצל זה מצפון לדרום דהיינו ראשו אנכי למערב וסופו אשר לרעך למזרח שיהו נקראין כן לכ״ג הבא לשם ביה״כ ולכך בדרך הזה נמי היתה מונח הס״ת שם ראשה למערב וסופה למזרח באותן ב׳ טפחים שנשתיירו באורך הארון שתהיה נקראת כך לכ״ג הבא לשם כדרך שאמרו לגבי המזוזה:

What was the date of the commandment to build the ארון?

7 – Another topic discussed:
If the instruction to build the ארון was by מתן תורה, then why would the instruction to build a large ארון , that would accommodate also the שברי לוחות, be said before they were broken by משה רבינו?

More next week.

Reb Moshe Rubin ע”ה

8 – Speaking of how everything fit symmetrically inside the ארון, we spoke about the unforgettable Chosid Reb Moshe Rubin ע”ה and his יראת שמים.   Here. Here.

His quip as to why he cannot tolerate when asking someone ‘how are you?’ to hear a response  “I’m all right’……

R Yisroel Rubin dedicating “Tefila L’Moshe Roadway Service” in memory of his father, R’ Moshe Rubin.

 

 

Shiur Shkolim 16a (3) Kislev 2, 5785 – 12/03/2024

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Shkolim 16a (3)
Kislev 2, 5785 – 12/03/2024

Short notes.

1- Last week we mentioned the ancient custom practiced in Eastern Europe to perform a pre Chupa ceremony early in the morning on the wedding date.

This ceremony was called חופת מיין. Main for the river that flows by Frankfurt where this מנהג was practiced for hundreds of years.  

Basically, the חתן would be accompanied to the שול yard (or on the בימה) by the Rov before שחרית and the כלה by her family. They would both sit on an elaborately decorated chair and ברכת ארוסין would made. Some said all שבע ברכות.

In the afternoon or evening, another חופה would be performed with all the ברכות again.

Vintage Jewish Wedding Ceremony Under Chuppah Etched Art Judaism Judaica Hebrew | eBay

This מנהג is mentioned in מסכת סופרים and the ראשונים with variations of different קהילות.
See  תוספות כתובות יז, א


See here in Hebrew.

Excerpt from link above, free translation: Following the destruction of German communities and the emigration of the majority of German Jews to the United States and Israel, most German Jews stopped performing חופת מיין (as well as other customs). However, a few in the German community continue even today to perform the ceremony of the חופת מיין, and even make it a condition for marriage with their children.

Jewish wedding ceremony under marriage canopy (huppah, chuppah, chuppa) amongst the German (Ashkenazi ) Jews.Published in 1748 Stock Photo - Alamy

The מרדכי writes that this מנהג explain why we say
בָּרוּךְ אַתָּה ה’ מְקַדֵּשׁ עַמּוֹ יִשְׂרָאֵל  עַל יְדֵי חֻפָּה וְקִדּוּשִׁין.

Why חופה and then קידושין?

The order is in reverse of what we do! First there is the קידושין (with the ring) and then the ‘marriage’ via the חופה.

Says the מרדכי , based on this ancient מנהג, the order is indeed חֻפָּה וְקִדּוּשִׁין. First comes the early morning חופה and then קידושין a few hours later.

We mentioned the חתם סופר AH 98 that suggests that we keep this מנהג and do both – morning חופה דמאיין indoors and then a standard חופה  under the stars.

Jewish Painting: Chuppah Celebration in Shtetl

After WWII this custom of Chupa DeMain was stopped.

2- We concluded discussing the 3 sons of יאשיהו and his grandson יהויכין or יְכָנְיָה.

3 – Our גמרא:

אֵין מוֹשְׁחִין כֹּהֲנִים מְלָכִים. אָמַר רִבִּי יוּדָן עַנְתּוֹנְדְרַייָא. עַל שֵׁם לֹא יָסוּר שֵׁבֶט מִיהוּדָה. אָמַר רִבִּי חִייָה בַּר אָדָא. לְמַעַן יַאֲרִיךְ יָמִים עַל מַמְלַכְתּוֹ הוּא וּבָנָיו בְּקֶרֶב יִשְׂרָאֵל. מַה כְתִיב בַּתְרֵיהּ. לֹא יִהְיֶה לַכֹּהֲנִים הַלְוִיִּם.

One does not anoint כהנים as kings. Rebbi Jehudah Antordiya said, because the scepter shall not be removed from Jehudah. Rebbi Ḥiyya bar Ada said, because of  he shall have many days of his kingdom, he and his sons in the midst of Israel. What is written after that? The levitic Cohanim should not…

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Discussed briefly the rule that כהנים or anyone else that is not from שבט יהודה should not be anointed as a מלך.

As the Ramban writes בראשית מט, י regarding the חשמונאים that ruled as kings despite them being כהנים:

וזה היה עונש החשמונים שמלכו בבית שני, כי היו חסידי עליון, ואלמלא הם נשתכחו תורה ומצות מישראל, ואף על פי כן נענשו עונש גדול, כי ארבעת בני חשמונאי הזקן החסיד המולכים זה אחר זה, עם כל גבורתם והצלחתם, נפלו ביד אויביהם בחרב, והגיע העונש בסוף למה שאמרו ז״ל: כל דאמר מבית חשמונאי קא אתינא עבדא הוא (בבלי בבא בתרא ג׳.), שנכרתו כולם בעון הזה. ואף על פי שהיה בזרע שמעון עונש מן הצדוקים, אבל כל זרע מתתיה חשמונאי הצדיק לא אבדו אלא בעבור זה שמלכו ולא היו מזרע יהודה ומבית דוד, [והסירו השבט והמחוקק לגמרי]⁠ והיה עונשם מדה כנגד מדה, שהמשיל הקב״ה עליהם את עבדיהם והם הכריתום.

The Hasmonean Dynasty (142-36 BCE)

This was also the reason for the punishment of the חשמונאים, who reigned during the Second Temple. They were saints of the Most High, without whom the learning of Torah and the observance of Commandments would have been forgotten in Israel, and despite this, they suffered such great punishment. The four sons of the old Hasmonean Matithyahu, saintly men who ruled one after another, in spite of all their prowess and success, fell by the sword of their enemies. And ultimately the punishment reached the stage where our Rabbis, of blessed memory, said:⁠ “He who says, ‘I come from the house of the Hasmoneans,’ is a slave,” as they were all destroyed on account of this sin.⁠

4 –

We began to delve into the wide topic of the לוחות and how they were placed inside the ארון.
● Dimensions of the לוחות.
● The size of the ארון.
● אמה of 5 or 6 טפחים.
● שברי לוחות.
● Were the לוחות – each לוח-
6 x 6 or 6 x 3?
● Comparing the בבלי to our גמרא ירושלמי. Can they be reconciled?
חטא העיגול

 

Rectangular Tablets above the entrance to the Great Synagogue in Jerusalem. (Photo: Wikimedia Commons)

Great Synagogue in Jerusalem.

The Rebbe’s opinion and insistence on not rounding the top of the לוחות is well known. Did the Rebbe insist on square like the בבלי or is rectangular like the ירושלמי is also fine?

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